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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: Using Rock Salt during WCs Reply with quote

 Hi  All:
 
 Recently,  I  visted  one  of  my  Old  Time  Friend  and  was  happy  to  see  his  Discus  Tank.
 
 During  the  talks  he  told  me  that  he  uses  'HYPO'  and  1  TbSp  of  Rock  Salt  per  50  Lts  of  water  change.  And  he's  doing  a  50%  WC  only  once  in  a  week!!    Boy!  I  was  zapped!!
 
 I  asked  why  Salt?  He  replied  --  "keeps  water  slightly  acidic  and  Discus  love  it  that  way"!!
 
 Is  this  a  safe  practice??
 
 Pls  share  your  thoughts  on  this...
 
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 Nag,
 
 Hypo  -  Sodium  Thiosulphate  -  to  remove  chlorine
 Rocksalt  -  as  a  preventive  medication  can  act  as  a  very  mild  disinfectant
 1tbsp  /50  litres  is  a  mild  dosage
 
 Keeps  water  acidic    Confused:    Confused:    Confused:    Confused:    Confused    Confused  
   
 Discus  love  it..............  Any  Discus  or  for  that  matterany  fish  with  a  50  %  water  changeonce  a  weekwill  love  it
 
 Though  you  have  not  mentioned  the  size  looks  like  it  is  a  big  tank
 
 
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 Hi  Nag,
 I  dont  think  Salt  does  anything  to  lower  the  ph  or  else  sea  water  would  have  a  very  low  ph.  
 I  used  to  add  little  rock  salt  to  my  discus  tank  after  every  waterchange  as  i  heard  it  increases  appetite  and  also  helps  in  healing  of  wounds  and  slime  coat  production.  My  discus  used  to  love  eating  the  salt.  Now  I  have  stopped  it  as  I  havent  seen  any  visible  benefits.
 Im  not  sure  of  the  hypo  though..never  used  it
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 Hypo  is  sodium  thiosulphate  and  that  neutralises  chlorine.
 
 Rock  salt  is  predominantly  Sodium  chloride.  It  is  made  by  evaporating  sea  water  in  pools.  Rock  salt  will  not  lower  the  pH  of  water.  What  it  does  is  neutralises  to  some  extent  the  harmful  effects  of  nitrites  in  the  water.  That  is  it  reduces  the  stress  on  the  fish  due  to  nitrite  buildup.  That's  why  your  friend  is  able  to  get  away  with  50%  weekly  water  changes  I  suppose.  The  nitrites  may  be  there  in  his  aquarium,  but  the  salt  is  helping  the  fish  a  bit.
 
 Salt  is  not  a  substitute  for  water  changes  as  everyone  agrees.  Good  tank  hygeine  and  water  quality  is  necessary  for  discus  and  that  has  been  proved  beyond  doubt.  Trying  to  add  salt  and  get  away  is  akin  to  not  bathing  for  a  week  and  splashing  on  perfume!  what  says?
 Doing  regular  daily/bi  or  tri  weekly  water  changes  has  no  substitute.
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 Thanks  Pals.
 
 BTW,  what  are  the  effects  of  using  EDTA  for  Tank  Water  or  during  WCs?
 Does  this  lower  pH?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject: Rock Salt Reply with quote

 I  had  been  using  rock  salt  after  each  water  change  on  the  advice  of  the  local  LFS  but  found  it  had  very  little  effect  on  the  discus.
 
 But  since  the  last  2  years  I  have  been  doing  periodic  WC  (mostly  50%  change  every  4-5  days)  and  squeeze  the  sponge  inside  the  tank  itself  before  I  change  water.  It  is  advisable  not  to  clean  the  sponge  in  running  water  under  a  tap.
 
 Also  temperature  plays  a  vital  part  in  discus  keeping.  The  8-10%  change  in  temp  in  B'lore  during  day  and  night  has  a  bad  effect.  The  temp  should  be  maintained  at  around  28-30  deg  C.
 
 A  good  healthy  diet  of  Tetra  Bits,  FBW  &  BH  keeps  the  Discus    Smile  
 
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BTW,  what  are  the  effects  of  using  EDTA  for  Tank  Water  or  during  WCs?
 Does  this  lower  pH?                

 
 EDTA  is  a  chelating  agent,  which  forms  metal  complexes  (among  other  things)  that  precipitate  out  of  solution.  I  wiuld  not  recommend  using  it  in  aquaria.
 
 Re  Hypo,  I've  known  many  breeders/wholesalers  in  M'bai  use  it  as  a  dechlorinator.
 
 Re  the  salt,  the  idea  is  to  get  as  close  to  an  isotonic  solution  as  possible,  where  the  conc  of  NaCl  in  the  surrounding  water  is  equal  to  the  conc  of  NaCl  in  the  body  (~.9%?).  What  this  does  is  help  maintain  the  slime  coat  on  the  fish  and  promote  healing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:40 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Discus  take  in  water  with  rocksalt  to    clean  up  the  gill  area.
 They  also  nibble  at  salt  crystals  which  helps  them  clear  their  digestive  tract
 
 
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 So,rock  salt  is  a  good  thing?Do  the  gurus  recommend  using  it?(along  with  daily  25%  water  changes)?at  what  dosage?1  tbl  spoon  /50  ltrs?
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 1tsb  per  50  litres...  too  mild  a  concentration...  i  do  use  rock  salt  in  times  of  disease  outbreaks  in  other  tanks  as  a  prevention  to  the  fish  that  are  allright  and  i  use  around  4  tsb  per  50  lts.  
 
 hypo  only  to  be  used  if  your  fish  feel  uncomfy  after  water  changes  ...  like  gasping  for  air  on  the  surface  and  refuse  to  eat  after  a  wc
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 In  no  way  NaCl  is  related  with  acidification.    My  guess  is  it  salt  water  is  always  hard.    For  eg  both  marine  &  brackish  are  hard.    Thats  because  of  calcium  and/or  magnessium  hardness  but  i've  never  heard  of  acidic  sea  in  any  part  of  the  world,  even  in  the  bermuda  triangle  :lol:
 But  it  could  be  used  in  small  amounts  as  an  anti-septic  or  anti-parasitic  agent.    But  i  prefer  almond  leaves  for  this  matter  because  they  are  both  anti-septic  and  a  softener
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 I  keep  using  Rock  Salt  once  in  a  while  now-a-days,  Discus  like  to  nibble  them  (as  Kiran  has  pointed  it  rightly)...
 
 Usage  of  Rock  Salt  was  also  recommended  to  me  by  David  Lim...to  be  used  during  the  initial  days  of  settling  of  new  discus  as  it  keeps  parasitic  conditions  in  check,  promotes  healing  and  increases  apetite...
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nag  wrote:                
Usage  of  Rock  Salt  was  also  recommended  to  me  by  David  Lim...to  be  used  during  the  initial  days  of  settling  of  new  discus  as  it  keeps  parasitic  conditions  in  check,  promotes  healing  and  increases  apetite...
 Bye,                

 David  Lim!    Think  he's  a  Grand  Champ.    From  now  on  i'd  follow  it  blindly!  Smile
 Nag  if  you  know  him  personally  can  you  give  an  intro  Very Happy
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 Hi  Madhu:
 
 Here's  all  about  David  Lim:
 http://www.fishiotribe.com.sg/ouraccomplishments2004.html
 
 and  his  Discus:
 http://www.fishiotribe.com.sg/ourdiscus.html
 
 Sorry,  can't  give  his  Mobile  No...  :twisted:  
   :lol:  Bye,
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 If  you're  not  giving  his  no  i'll  call  you  wicked  :evil:
 
 Wow!  David  Lim's  got  a  9"  Discus!  Shocked
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