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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 Two  months  back,  me  and  my  brother  were  visiting  Chennai  and  we  also  planned  and  made  a  trip  to  kolathoor.  We  visited  several  breeding  farms  there  and  from  one  of  the  farms,  we  purchased  some  females  of  the  following
 1.  Melanochromis  Auratus
 2.  White  Morphs
 3.  Metriaclima  lombardoi  (Kenyi)
 
 We  came  back  to  bangalore  and  released  them  in  our  tanks.  All  the  Auratus  have  turned  into  male  and  even  the  Kenyi,  four  out  of  five  became  males.  All  the  white  morphs  have  also  turned  into  males.
 
 Can  some  one  help  me  in  understanding  this  strange  behavior.  They  were  all  females  in  the  farm.
 
 Is  the  tank's  water  condition  responsible  for  this.  Would  appreciate  any  help  on  this.
 
 Thanks  a  ton  to  everybody  in  advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 How,  exactly,  did  you  sex  the  fish  at  the  farm?  If  you  went  by  colour,  juveniles  look  like  females  till  they're  sexually  mature.
 
 Also,  are  you  sure  they're  all  male?  What  do  you  base  this  on?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 Auratus  will  stay  yellow,  if  it  is  a  female  but  the  male  will  turn  to  black.
 As  far  as  white  morphs  are  concerned,  the  females  will  be  a  pure  white  in  color  but  the  males  will  get  a  blueish  tinge.  And  for  Kenyi,  the  females  will  stay  blue  but  the  males  will  become  orange  in  color.
 For  the  Knyis,  he  had  given  us  juveniles,  so  it  was  not  a  shock  to  us,  but  Auratus  and  white  morphs  were  sexed  when  he  had  given  us.  Thats  the  reason  we  got  confused.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 All  Auratus  will  change  color  in  adult  stage  regardless  of  whether  they  are  male  or  female.  
 
 There  are  different  strains  of  what  you  call  as  white  morph,  some  have  blue  tinge,  some  have  even  orange  tinge  in  the  tail,  some  have  just  two  yellow  spots  on  the  tail..etc  Hence,  the  criterion  for  sexing  is  not  on  color  alone.  
 
 You  have  mentioned  that  you  picked  these  from  a  farm  in  Kolathur  and  as  far  as  i  know  the  breeders  in  kolathur  are  not  stupid  enough  to  give  you  females...     ROFL   ROFL  Its  a  business  for  them  and  i  hope  you  understand.
 
 Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 gannu74,
 
 Please  note  fish  sold  are  spiked  with  an  overdose  of  testosterone  so  that  all  look  like  males,  and  turn  sterile.
 For  all  you  know  the  chap  would  have  packed  the  fish  in  spiked  water,  that's  why  they  turned  males.
 
 Safeguarding  their  business.
 
 It  is  better  to  get  your  livestock  from  known  honest  people,  you'll  find  many  on  IAH.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 You  still  have  not  said  how  the  fish  were  sexed  at  the  farm...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 Hi  Madan,
 Can  you  tell  me  some  one  from  IAH  who  can  sell  me  females.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Help required on breeding cichlids Reply with quote

 Hi  Retro,
 
 The  guy  at  the  farm  showed  us  fish  with  eggs  in  the  mouth  and  showed  us  the  difference  between  these  and  the  males  (ones  with  out  eggs  in  the  mouth),  and  they  definitely  seemed  different.
 We  had  to  trust  him.
 
 Can  you  please  give  me  some  tips  on  how  to  actually  go  about  recognizing  them  as  male  or  female,  as  we  are  planning  to  go  to  chennai  tomorow  and  are  also  planning  to  visit  the  place  again.
 
 Can  testosterone  or  any  harmone  exist  in  gaseous  state,  as  the  only  thing  which  the  guy  did  was  that  he  filled  oxygen  into  the  plastic  bag.  The  water  he  used  was  from  one  of  his  tanks,  so  am  sure  it  was  not  spiked.
 
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