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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 Dear  friends.      Smile  
 
 I  joined  your  community  from  Norway  on  the  other  side  of  the  planet  earth  about  a  year  ago,  and  I  am  looking  in  from  time  to  time  and  find  it  very  interesting.
 
 The  first  reason  to  join  in  is  that  my  definite  favourite  fish  is  the  beautiful  Puntius  denesonii.
 I  now  have  17  if  them,  9  x  4”  and  8  x  2”  size.  But  there  is  very  little  new  information  about  them  that  I  can  find  during  the  last  1  â€“  2  years.
 I  have  heard  that  it  has  been  beaded  in  the  Far  East,  but  I  have  never  managed  to  get  it  verified.
 What  kind  of  methods  and  conditions  do  they  eventually  use?  
 Does  anyone  know  who  and  where?  Any  links?
 As  I  am  so  much  fascinated  in  this  barb  I  would  also  gladly  hear  from  you  specialist  from  the  right  side  of  the  word,  what  tank  mates  from  Kerala  will  be  most  recommended?
 And  as  some  of  you  have  been  out  catching  them  yourself,  can  you  tell  me  what  water  values  and  condition  there  was  actually  where  you  found  them?
 And  does  anyone  know  when  they  are  breeding  in  their  normal  environment?
 During  dry  periods  or  during  rain  periods?  
 What  time  of  the  year?  
 And  what  will  eventually  the  normal  water  temperature  be  at  this  time?
 OK,  it  was  a  lot  of  questions,  but  I  hope  some  of  you  can  answer  some  of  it  and  may  be  others  other  things.
 Looking  forwards  to  hearing  from  you
 
 Kind  regards  from  
 Jon  in  Norway.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 Puntius  denisonii  -  Collection  and  Habitat  Study  Trip.  Read  the  article  here.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 If  you  are  trying  to  breed'em,  you  can  try  it  with  massive  water  changes  &  lot  of  live  food  when  there's  a  drop  in  temp  also  can  dump  in  a  lot  of  plants  on  one  side  of  the  tank  with  soft  water.   Have  been  trying  for  a  while,  but  nothing  yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 Hello  Madan,  nice  hearing  from  the  moderator  right  away  on  my  first  contact.
 
 I  read  your  article  shortly  after  it  was  posted  first  time;  I  have  read  it  in  the  mean  time,  and  again  today.
 It  was  a  good  description  of  a  nice  trip,  but  you  have  probably  not  been  on  the  very  best  places  at  the  very  best  time.  But  all  water  values  have  been  noted.
 As  P.  denesonii  is  distributed  w.w.  in  fairly  large  numbers,  all  though  relative,  I  am  a  bit  surprised  that  the  right  collection  places  have  not  yet  been  officially  known,  or  where  and  how  they  are  breading  them.
 And  as  I  said,  I  haven’t  find  much  new  information  during  the  last  two  years
 
 And  Hi  Madhu,
 
 I  can  very  much  agree  on  your  proposed  method,  as  it  in  a  way  simulates  the  monsoon  conditions,  and  it  works  well  for  a  lot  of  other  sp.  But  nobody  has  yet  succeeded  with  the  denesonii.  Strange.  There  has  to  be  another  missing  parameter  which  probably  only  can  be  found  in  the  area  where  they  really  catch  a  lot  of  them.
 And  the  adults  should  then  probably  be  found  a  few  weeks  ahead  of  the  monsoon  and  the  juveniles  in  September/  October.
 
 I  also  hope  somebody  have  some  time  to  answer  my  other  questions.
 
 Jon  in  Norway
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 Hi  Jon,
 On  the  trip  we  went  to  the  right  place,  but  just  not  at  the  right  time.   There  were  rains  and  more  than  that,  only  a  few  days  before  we  made  the  trip,  was  a  reservoir  opened,  so  couldn't  find  much  populations  in  potential  niches.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

 Hello  Jon,
 
 We  haven't  been  to  visit  the  place  after  that  single  visit  due  to  various  factors.
 
 Yes,  P.  denisonii  is  found  in  many  other  places,  collectors  get  them  by  the  thousands,  but  for  commercial  reasons  it's  all  a  closely  guarded  secret,  and  not  revealed.
 
 It's  with  very  great  difficulty  we  managed  to  find  the  ONE  single  location  on  our  trip,  and  the  location  we  eventually  found  after  it  had  been  wiped  clean  a  few  hours  earlier  by  commercial  fishermen.
 
 There  was  a  thread  in  www.petforum.com  a  year  ago,  where  in  there  was  a  mention  of  a  person  succeeding  in  getting  them  to  lay  eggs  in  a  community  aquarium.  If  I  remember  right  it  was  in  the  same  thread  that  discussed  successful  breeding  of  the  E.  canarensis  in  an  aquarium  for  the  first  time.
 
 Let  me  search  petforum  and  post  the  link.
 
 In  case  anyone  remembers  the  thread  please  post  the  link  here.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Any news about Puntius denesonii? Reply with quote

   Here  is  the  thread  in  petforum.com,  Page  4
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 Great  and  quick.
 But  I  find  it  strange  that  someone  can  catch  great  quantity  in  India  and  export  them  W.W.  without  anyone  knowing  what  is  going  on.  It  is  probably  me  not  understanding  how  big  India  actually  is.
 I  have  hared  about  this  Tim  earlier  and  also  people  in  Germany  with  similar  stories,  but  as  sure  as  I  have  seen  no  exact  specification  or  evidence  have  been  shown.
 I  also  read  about  a  lab.  in  Germany,  testing  a  whole  lot  of  denesoniis  finding  that  they  were  all  males.  But  here  to,  no  written  articles  or  evidence.
 But  I  believe  that  the  denisoniis  are  in  more  of  the  44  registered  rivers  in  Kerala,  and  one  day  also  we  hobbyist  will  get  the  information  and  evidence  we  need.  
 Are  there  many  members  here  keeping  denisoniis  in  their  tanks?
 Jon  in  Norway
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 Yes  Jon,  it  is  a  fact.  This  fish  commands  such  high  prices  in  the  world  market,  the  exporters  make  a  killing.
 
 The  poor  rural  fisherman  who  collects  them  in  the  wild  and  gets  in  these  to  the  middleman  (  the  guy  who  collects  a  lot  of  them  before  shipping  them  to  an  exporter  in  India)  -  is  paid  not  more  than  10  cents  (US)  per  fish  if  he  is  lucky.  They  retail  for  about  $2  a  piece  in  India,  and  $  40  in  the  US  and  Europe?
 
 I  have  seen  5000+  of  these  fish  at  a  time  with  a  middleman  in  Bangalore  before  these  fish  were  shipped  to  Calcutta  for  their  journey  beyond  India.
 
 And  since  these  fish  have  not  been  commercially  bred  elsewhere  with  any  great  degree  of  success,  keeping  the  collection  location  under  wraps  is  essential  to  protect  one's  source.
 
 We  were  taken  to  the  location  only  after  we  were  able  to  convince  the  local  fishermen,  that  we  had  no  commercial  interest,  we  were  only  interested  in  seeing  the  fish  in  the  wild,  and  a  lot  of  name  dropping  of  their  clients.  
 
 No  amount  of  probing  in  Bangalore  with  the  receiver  of  this  fish  gave  us  an  exact  location.  It  was  all  a  vague  indication  that  they  would  be  "found  around  here  and  look  for  sandy  bottom  where  the  river  widens  etc.,"  -  easier  said  than  done.  Very Happy  
 
 In  fact  it  was  late  in  the  night  on  the  first  day  of  the  trip,  that  the  receptionist   at  the  hotel  we  were  staying  guided  us  to  a  couple  of  people  who  might  know  of  these  fish.
 
 After  that  it  was  a  drive  to  Irrity,  enquiring  at  the  only  LFS  there  who  had  a  few  P.  denisonii  in  his  tank,  this  led  us  to  a  family  of  fishermen  (at  the  tea  shack  across  the  bridge)  who  are  known  to  collect  this  fish  and  supply  a  few  fish  to  the  LFS  and  send  the  rest  over  to  Bangalore  by  Bus.  These  rivers  I  am  told  are  reserved  for  the  locals  to  fish,  outsiders  are  not  allowed,  I  don't  know  how  far  this  is  true  or  legal,  but  it  was  part  of  the  impediments  we  faced.
 
 Finding  these  fishermen  was  another  chore,  but  once  we  found  them  it  took  all  of  our  skills  convincing  them,  before  they  were  willing  to  help  us.  All  they  needed  to  say  was  -  "We've  never  seen  this  fish"  and  we  were  more  or  less  doomed.
 
 Under  the  circumstances,  2  days  was  too  short  a  trip  to  go  looking  for  this  fish,  it  will  require  a  longer  trip  spread  out  over  atleast  a  week  to  check  out  the  various  other  locations  they  are  reported  from.
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 breeding  denisonii  is  a  hard  task  as  the  female  tend  to  die  in  captivity  and  the  ph  is  of  6.6  at  the  river  where  they  breed  and  other  thing  is  they  travel  upstream  during  the  first  spell  of  rain  same  like  solomons  and  they  scatter  eggs  in  a  muddy  place  where  there  is  lot  of  fallen  leaves  and  move  down  the  best  time  to  breed  is  the  first  spell  of  rain  and  another  major  factor  to  be  considered  is  to  keep  the  female  alive,  Best  of  luck
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 denisonii  is  also  available  ina  part  of  tamilnadu  bordering  kerala,  people  question  me  the  answer  is  my  friend  is  having  a  farm  over  there  and  next  to  his  farm  is  a  river  forgot  the  name  spells  Peri  somthing  I  have  myself  caught  more  than  hundreds  and  left  them  back  as  I  have  to  travel  back  to  Bangalore  and  didn't  had  any  source  to  bring  them.  All  the  information  collected  is  by  the  local  people  know  abouts
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 Hi  Madan  and  Manju,
 
 Dear  friends,
 
 First  comment  to  Madan:
 
 Yes,  I  know  this  rout  from  fishing  boy  to  the  final  shop.  It  is  similar  as  from  south  America,  Myanmar  and  everywhere.  But  actually  I  bought  my  latest  8  denesoniis  here  in  Norway  at  11  USD  each,  and  I  know  it  was  6  USD  in  to  that  specific  shop.  That's  why  I  suspect  hormone  breed  from  somewhere  in  the  east,  as  we  have  heard  about  other  sp.
 But  of  cause  I  fully  understand  the  reason  to  protect  the  different  catching  places.  And  the  people  living  in  the  areas  are  probably  very  much  dependent  of  their  fishing.  Keep  commercial  outsiders  away.  But  a  one  week  trip  for  honest  hobby  aquarist  would  have  been  very  interesting.  Wish  I  could  afford  to  take  a  trip  one  day.
 
 And  manju;
 
 You  really  come  up  with  interesting  information,  and  this  is  just  what  I  like,  step  by  step  to  find  all  possible  reasons  for  the  difficulties.
 Do  you  have  any  clou  why  the  females  are  dying?  pH  6,6  is  possible  to  achieve.  Does  it  also  means  you  can  see  the  difference  of  male  and  female  in  India?  Or  is  it  just  the  roundness  of  the  females?
 Kerala  is  a  fairly  large  area,  and  I  believe  it  is  natural  that  the  denesoniis  are  also  outside  Kerala,  even  if  it  is  best  known  from  here.
 The  fish  will  for  some  reasons  go  upstream  just  before  the  first  rain  spell,  and  probably  stay  there  and  feed  well  on  the  nutrients  coursed  by  the  rain  spell,  and  then  spawn  in  this  area.  Do  you  know  what  the  water  temp  will  be  just  before  and  after  the  rain  spill?  There  is  a  considerable  temp  drop  I  believe,  and  it  is  probably  up  in  the  hills.  May  be  they  spawn  at  temps  down  to  14  -15  deg  C???
 You  also  say  they  scatter  eggs  in  a  muddy  place.  Interesting,  all  though  the  denesoniis  are  known  to  need  very  clean,  very  good  oxygenated  and  very  low  conductivity  water.  What  about  pH  change  during  the  natural  water  change?  
 Do  you  know  anything  specific  they  are  feeding  on  in  the  spawning  period?
 Sorry  for  asking  so  many  questions,  but  I  am  just  so  very  interested.
 
 Best  regards
 Jon  in  Norway.
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 a)  female  tend  to  be  lighter  coloured  than  males  and  while  mating  season  the  female  tends  to  be  a  little  agressive  and  will  be  plump.
 b)  temp  what  i  have  recorded  is  slightly  high  to  what  you  said  the  temp  was  around  25deg  and  the  place  where  they  have  scattered  eggs  was  a  point  where  there  was  less  current  slightly  away  from  the  main  stream  
 c)  at  the  same  time  indian  gar,  danios  breed  and  seen  them  with  denisonii,  lots  of  shrimp  fries  were  available  and  due  to  rain  there  was  lot  of  daphnia  collected  in  small  rocks  and  will  be  shifted  when  it  rains
 d)  ph  at  that  place  was  6.6  but  moving  further  i  think  they  will  be  around  7.0  to  7.2
 best  of  luck  for  your  project,  I  am  helphing  out  on  this  matter  is  cause  I  want  denisonii  to  be  tank  bred  and  atleast  the  wild  will  be  left  safe,  the  count  of  denisonii  has  dropped  by  a  margin  of  85%  according  to  the  survey  conducted   Sad
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 Hi  everybody:)
 
 Like  Josti  I  also  seek  information  on  these  magnificent  fish,  and  I  happen  to  come  from  Norway  to.  Currently  I  keep  11  young  ones  and  9  adults  in  a  720liter  planted  tank.  I  have  only  had  them  for  a  short  while,  and  will  start  eksperimenting  with  them  after  a  couple  of  months  time.  
 
 When  is  the  raining  season  in  this  part  of  India?
 
 By  the  way....  This  is  a  very  nice  and  friendly  forum..  Thank  you  Thumbs Up
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