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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:45 am Post subject: Live Feed Protien analysis Reply with quote

 Can  anyone  throw  light  on  the  protien  content  of  the  following  live  bait:
 Molly
 Guppy
 Feeder  Gold
 Feeder  Koi
 Mosquito  Fish
 
 I  heard  that  Guppy's  got  the  highest  protien  content  in  available  live  baits,  next  comes  molly  and  the  least  is  gold  fish.    What  would  be  the  protien  analysis  of  these  bait  fishes?
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 Most  fish  contain  about  20%  protein...do  not  think  species  variation  would  be  that  high.  In  any  case,  amino  acid  composition  is  more  important  than  protein  content.
 
 Carp  tend  to  have  heavy  scales=hard  to  digest
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 For  eg,  an  arowana  feeds  on  small  fish,  insects  &  other  invertibrates  in  the  wild  so  it  takes  an  average  of  around  30%  protien.    But  if  we  provide  it  with  food  containing  protien  content  more  than  say  40%  what  impact  would  it  bring  on  the  fishes'  health,  growth  &  life-span?    Have  anyone  studied/experimented  on  these  areas?
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 A  high  protein  diet  will  make  young  fish  grow  faster...do  not  think  it  is  detrimental  at  all.  A  high  carb/lipid  content  however,  will  result  in  lowered  egg  viability  and  shortened  lifespan.
 
 most  research  is  done  on  food  fish  and  tend  to  focus  on  diets  that  maximise  growth  =  high  protein
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 Agreed  on  hi-speed  growth  rates  but  I  believe  faster  than  normal  growth  would  be  life-span  reducing.
 And  if  so  why  do  many  experts  advocate  against  using  high  protien  food  for  malawi  cichlids?
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madhu_ulysses  wrote:                
Agreed  on  hi-speed  growth  rates  but  I  believe  faster  than  normal  growth  would  be  life-span  reducing.                

 
 True,  but  it  depends  on  what  normal  growth  is  defined  as.  Increased  temperature  will  also  do  the  same,  by  raising  the  metabolic  rate.  But  then,  most  commercial  breeders  want  their  fry  to  grow  up  quickly  to  a  marketable  size...lifespan  be  damned!
 BTW,  nothing  induces  growth  like  tubifex  worms!!
 
 
                                                 
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And  if  so  why  do  many  experts  advocate  against  using  high  protien  food  for  malawi  cichlids?                

 
 This  is  because  many  rift  lake  cichlids  are  specialised  herbivores,  with  digestive  tracts  adapted  to  eating  vegetable  matter.  Which  BTW  is  very  poor  nutrition  wise,  which  is  why  the  fish  feed  almost  continually.  While  these  fish  can  digest  small  crustaceans  etc  ingested  along  with  plant  matter,  their  digestive  systems  are  unable  to  process  a  high  protein  diet,  leading  to  bacterial  infections  and  bloat.
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 Ya  agreed  retro,  have  read  about  african  cichlid  diet  in  articles  before.    Thanks  a  lot  on  throwing  light  on  this  subject.
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 And  anyone  knows  the  protien  composition  in  beef  heart?
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 Hi  Madhu:
 
 Here  are  some  facts:
 
 Beef  Heart  (OR  Lean  Beef)  is  rich  in  sources  of  protein,  minerals  and  B-group  vitamins  including  Thiamine  (B1),  Riboflavin  (B2),  Niacin,  Pyridoxine  (B6)  and  B12.
 
 It  is  also  an  excellent  source  of  essential  iron  and  zinc.
 
 Beef  is  high  quality  protein  food  with  an  optimum  balance  of  essential  amino  acids.  A  serving  of  100g  uncooked  lean  beef  provides  about  30g  of  protein.
 
 Trimmed  of  visible  fat,  lean  beef  contains  on  average  6%  fat.
 
 (Source:  FDA  &  WHO)
 
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 Hi  Nag,
 That  was  highly  informative.    The  reason  behind  this  question  is  discus  have  never  tasted  beef-heart  in  the  wild.    We  use  it  because  of  its  rich  protien  &  vitamin  content  and  mainly  because  the  pros  and  the  experts  suggest  it.    But  without  Beef-Heart  mix  have  anyone  kept  their  discus  as  healthy  as  the  ones  fed  with  BHM?
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 Only  fed  my  discus  BH  once...they  hated  it.  I  had  a  couple  of  PB's  and  blue  turqs  for  over  a  year,  no  probs...
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 I  feed  all  the  fishes  that  I  have  the  bhm,  though  not  everyday.  They  all  love  it...  I'm  yet  to  see  fishes  around  here  that  refuse  it...    Even  molly  fry  love  it!    Very Happy
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 Hi,
 
     All  my  discus  juveniles  have  grown  on  FBH  and  FBW.  Now  they  are  around  15  months  old.  But  since  the  last  2  months  I  an  weaning  them  away  from  FBH.  I  am  giving  BH  now  only  one  or  two  days  a  week.
 
     The  diet  now  include  Tetra  Bits  and  frozen  palak.
 
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 AS  far  as  beef  goes,  the  saying  is  30%  protein,  also  similarly  high  in  fat.
 
 But  all  aquarists  use  beefheart,  less  in  fat.  And  practically  we  in  India,  do  not  use  beefheart.  Can't  certainly  use  beefhearts  composition  to  a  goat  heart  can  we    Confused:  
 
 Then  again  the  protein  availability  and  its  absorption  depends  on  protein  amino  acid  profile  formua.  This  is  totally  lacking  in  beefheart,  i  presume.
 
 Fish  protein  has  the  highest  protein  content.
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madhu_ulysses  wrote:                
...without  Beef-Heart  mix  have  anyone  kept  their  discus  as  healthy...                

 Oh  yeah!  Ask  me!!...For  almost  six  months,  I've  fed  my  specially  formulated  and  patented    Very Happy    100%  Vegetarian  Food...
 Check  this  out:    Cool  
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=236&sid=959172ddffd85cb82295abe2d0bda8a5
 
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