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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 How  can  we  procure  carib  sea's  Eco-complete  substrate  here  in  India?  Can  any  one  help?  Pls.   Innocent
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Deb,
 
 Get  in  touch  with  Thirth  ,  he  has  recieved  a   BIG  Shipment  from  US  few  days  back  !!  he  will  know...  or  even  have  some  left..
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 I  have  also  been  looking  for  this  substrate.  It  seems  like  in  India  this  substrate  is  not  that  popular.
 
 Tirtha  can  you  suggest  something.  Have  you  used  this  substrate  ?  Please  share  your  views.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Rana  Da,  I  never  used  Karib  Sea.  I  think  Raghu  meant  to  say  I  got  a  shipment  from  US.  But  that  was  not  substrate,  that  was  Fish  Food.  Smile
 
 But  now  a  days,  we  can  find  very  less  people  even  in  International  Forums  also,  who  is  using  this  substrate.  ADA  washed  up  all  other  brands.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

                                                   
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 But  now  a  days,  we  can  find  very  less  people  even  in  International  Forums  also,  who  is  using  this  substrate.  ADA  washed  up  all  other  brands.                

 
 Ohh  really?  I  do  not  think  so.  
 BTW  its  caribsea  and  not  karibsea.  
 Or  are  you  talking  of  a  brand  called  karibsea?  Is  it  available  in  India?   ROFL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Tirtha
 
 Yes  today  ADA  products  rule,  but  in  the  net  there  are  lot  of  fantastic  aquascaped  tanks  using  Eco-complete  as  substrate.
 
 ADA  AS  is  undoubtedly  very  good  product  and  so  is  their  marketing  Very Happy  .  IAH  forum  also  supports  this  product.
 
 But  Dutch  people  started  keeping  planted  aquarium  succesfully  long  before  .  ADA  with  their  excellent  nature  aquarium  concept  has  made  it  extremely  popular.  So  ADA  products  are  not  pocket  friendly   Chuckle  .
 
 One  of  my  friend  is  using  ADA  product  and  his  tank  is  really  a  show  piece  right  from  day  one  albeit  some  blue  green  algae  problem.  But  I  find  it  more  interesting  to  create  an  ecosystem  using  naturally  available  resources.  
 
 Opinions  must  differ.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Hi  deb  check  this......
   dealers  in  india
 http://www.caribsea.com/locator/results_list.php?countryname=&country=IN&countrysearch=Go
 
 these  are  the  products  for  planted  tanks
 
 http://www.caribsea.com/pages/products/planted_aquar.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 166/3rd  venture,  Saraswati  Nagar
 Lothkunta  
 Hyderabad  A.P.  IN  500015
 
 Deb,  
 The  dealer  stays  at  your  next  door.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 I  checked  out  the  above  links.  Their  website  does  not  have  a  SINGLE  Testimonial  from  any  user.  Shocked  I  clicked  on  the  link  below  the  black  substrate.
 
 I  wonder  why  people  want  this  substrate.     Surprised   When  the  makers  themselves  don't  have  anything  good  to  write  about  this  substrate.  Knock
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Agree  with  Madan  ....  better  go  with  ADA  which  is  tried,  tested  &  proven  by  many  of  our  members  in  IAH  itself.  
 
 Also  with  Adip  dealing  with  ADA  directly  we  can  expect  a  good  pricing  on  the  products  as  well   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

                                                   
Madan  wrote  (View  Post):                
I  checked  out  the  above  links.  Their  website  does  not  have  a  SINGLE  Testimonial  from  any  user.  Shocked  I  clicked  on  the  link  below  the  black  substrate.
 
 I  wonder  why  people  want  this  substrate.     Surprised   When  the  makers  themselves  don't  have  anything  good  to  write  about  this  substrate.  Knock                

 
 I  think  our  members  should  try  Eco  -  Complete  and  give  their  testimonials.  Especially  regarding  the  quality  of  the  product.
 Since  we  now  know  the  dealer  is  in  Hyderabad  I  think  the  lads  in  the  vicinity  should  take  the  lead  by  posting  on  IAH  a  step  by  step  photo  article  using  the  product.
 The  dealers  support  for  the  venture  can  be  solicited.
 That  will  help  the  undecided  majority  of  our  members  plan  their  future  hi  -  tech  planted  tanks.
 A  wash  out  or  no  wash  out.  Thumb Up  
 And  give  our  members  a  choice.  An  knowledgeable  and  educated  alternative  choice.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

                                                   
Severumkid  wrote  (View  Post):                
                                                 
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 But  now  a  days,  we  can  find  very  less  people  even  in  International  Forums  also,  who  is  using  this  substrate.  ADA  washed  up  all  other  brands.                

 
 Ohh  really?  I  do  not  think  so.  
 BTW  its  caribsea  and  not  karibsea.  
 Or  are  you  talking  of  a  brand  called  karibsea?  Is  it  available  in  India?  Â ROFL                

 
 Dev,  stop  showing  this  kind  of  audacity  to  fellow  members.  Don't  cross  the  limit,  it's  not  going  to  help  you  anyway.
 
 
                                                 
Rana  wrote  (View  Post):                

 Tirtha
 
 Yes  today  ADA  products  rule,  but  in  the  net  there  are  lot  of  fantastic  aquascaped  tanks  using  Eco-complete  as  substrate.
 
 ADA  AS  is  undoubtedly  very  good  product  and  so  is  their  marketing  Very Happy  .  IAH  forum  also  supports  this  product.
 
 But  Dutch  people  started  keeping  planted  aquarium  succesfully  long  before  .  ADA  with  their  excellent  nature  aquarium  concept  has  made  it  extremely  popular.  So  ADA  products  are  not  pocket  friendly   Chuckle  .
 
 One  of  my  friend  is  using  ADA  product  and  his  tank  is  really  a  show  piece  right  from  day  one  albeit  some  blue  green  algae  problem.  But  I  find  it  more  interesting  to  create  an  ecosystem  using  naturally  available  resources.  
 
 Opinions  must  differ.
 
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 Rana
                 

 
 Rana  da,  you  are  correct  in  everyway.  In  past  we  got  to  see  lots  of  beautifull  aquarium  with  this  substrate.  But  currently  ADA  rules  this  hobby,  as  it  is  much  more  flexible  and  much  easily  we  can  get  the  desired  result  using  it.  All  I  am  telling  just  after  reading  different  posts.  If  you  are  asking  for  personal  experience....  I  am  still  a  Laterite+river  sand  guy.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Trevor
 
 I  really  appreciate  your  comment  on  this.  Apart  from  substrate  issue,  if  our  members  can  take  initiative  and  put  their  review  on  different  products,  that  will  help  fellow  members  in  a  practical  way.  Unfortunately,particulary  due  to  non  avialability  with  proper  information,  in  our  hobby  many  a  things  are  accepted  as  a  thumb  rule  without  any  well  established  principle  or  experience.     In  this  forum,  we  can  break  that  rule.
 
 Tirtha
 
 Nothing  to  beat  your  opinion   Very Happy  .
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Carib sea - eco-complete Reply with quote

 Just  did  some  googling  and  came  up  with  these.  Smile
 
 Eco-Complete  User  Review:
 
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/12/sort/2/cat/8/page/1
 
 Eco-Complete  Vs.  ADA  AS:
 
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/science-aquatic-substrates/28578-eco-complete-ada-aquasoil.html
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 Yes,  Yes,  Trevor,  the  Hyderabad  guys  should  try  out  this  Eco-Complete  substrate  and  post  their  results  after  atleast  1  year.  Why  Hyderabad,  actually  people  advocating  the  substrate  should  try  it  and  write  a  review.  Why  look  for  freebies?
 
 I  love  Laterite  +  River  gravel.  Cheap  and  is  easily  available.  I  have  grown  plants  very  well  with  this.  In  fact  the  whole  of  Bangalore  city  atleast,  has  been  following  this  method  until  last  year.  The  substrate  runs  out  of  steam  in  2  years  and  water  column  dosing  needs  to  be  heavy  with  micros.  Reusing  this  substrate  is  hell,  but  renewing  is  cheap.  Uprooting  plants  is  again  messy.
 
 Add  a  couple  of  handful  of  Premium  Sphagnum  peat  moss  to  the  laterite,  the  substrate  stays  effective  for  4  +  years  (that's  how  old  my  substrate  is).  Getting  Premium  Sphagnum  Peat  Moss  is  a  problem.  There  are  any  number  of  brands  selling  powdered  leaf  as  peat  moss.
 
 
 Dupla  Laterite  -  wow,  my  first  substrate  worked  like  a  charm,  Expensive,  1200  bucks  for  1/2  a  liter  of  laterite.  This  inspired  me  to  use  laterite  collected  around  Bangalore.  Know  what?  Dupla  laterite  was  laced  with  Macros.  I  did  not  need  to  dose  any  macros  for  about  18  months  after  setup.  Zero  macros.  Plant  growth  awesome.  I  realised  this  when  using  OUR  laterite  I  had  to  start  dosing  macros  in  1-2  month's  time  or  else  algae.  Any  wonder  why  they  went  out  of  business?
 
 ADA  Aquasoil  Amazonia,  I  have  been  using  it  for  1  year  plus,  tank  looks  real  good  with  the  dark  substrate,  plants  rooting  and  growth  is  excellent.  Needs  to  be  handled  carefully,  gives  you  options  in  creating  a  contrasting  substrate.  I'll  post  after  5  years  if  the  substrate  gives  me  same  growth  as  now.  Expensive,  well  yes,  upfront,  I'll  revert  in  5  years  if  it  works  out  cheap  in  the  long  run.
 
 Rubberised  Coir  Mat  as  a  planting  medium  -  works  OK  in  the  short  term,  all  nutrients  from  the  water  column.  After  a  while  the  detritus  that  collects  through  the  mat  at  the  bottom  creates  a  mess,  there  is  very  little  water  circulation  in  the  bottom,  no  effective  bacteria  growth  in  the  coirmat,  impossible  to  siphon  out  the  detritus,  BIG  trouble.  I  discarded  it  after  about  15  months  as  the  only  way  to  control  ammonia  and  algae  was  daily  water  changes  after  a  while.
 
 Volcamia  -  Snake  Oil,  absolutely  useless,  plants  would  not  even  root  properly  in  the  substrate,  tried  it  for  2  years  and  threw  it  out  after  paying  for  this  substrate.
 
 Carib  Sea?  I  have  no  intention  of  using  it  ever,  as  the  makers  themselves  do  not  have  a  single  worthwhile  testimonial  on  their  website.  How  worse  it  will  be  having  to  pay  for  this  substrate.
 
 If  you  want  to  use  an  expensive  substrate  then  you  must  develop  a  network  of  aquarists  not  just  on  IAH  but  worldwide  who  interact  on  a  one  to  one  basis  with  you  and  get  authentic  feedback  before  you  decide.  Browsing  the  net  and  jumping  to  conclusions  will  get  you  no  where.  Nobody  posts  their  failures  on  the  web.  In  fact  very  few  even  admit  to  failure.  Looking  at  bits  and  pieces  of  success  is  at  your  own  risk.
 
 Use  what  suits  your  budget,  if  the  substrate  makes  a  mess  uprooting  plants,  cannot  be  renewed,  well  you  went  cheap,  and  that's  a  trade  off.  The  plants  will  grow  nevertheless.  
 
 Plants  need  a  bit  more  than  just  substrate  to  grow  and  we  have  many  sub  forums  for  all  of  that.  Chuckle
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